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PostPosted: Sat Oct 17, 2009 3:01 am Reply with quote
User avatarNosferatuPosts: 331Joined: Tue Aug 12, 2003 3:50 am
*drain sitts in a dusty alcove looking at city maps*

Where is everyone?
i can post almost anywhere on the internet, but i prefer to come here for the company.



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PostPosted: Mon Oct 19, 2009 4:52 pm Reply with quote
User avatarTremerePosts: 845Joined: Sat Apr 05, 2003 2:47 pm
In my case you know exactly where I am...

btw... I'm done with werewolf claws for now, but I suspect I'm going to need a pile of Charon's Obols in the very near future.

Not got much in the way of news, I fear. My arm still hurts and I'm spending much of my time grumbling about it.



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PostPosted: Mon Oct 19, 2009 10:45 pm Reply with quote
User avatarVentruePosts: 1554Location: Virginia, USAJoined: Fri Apr 04, 2003 5:05 pm
I'm working. :(

Yawn.

Had a salad for lunch today and it did NOT do the trick. Good God I'm starving.



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PostPosted: Tue Oct 20, 2009 4:16 pm Reply with quote
User avatarTremerePosts: 845Joined: Sat Apr 05, 2003 2:47 pm
Hmm... it was cheese sandwich day yesterday.

Apparently today was jacket potato day, according to the choice of most of my colleagues, but frankly the thought of bacon butties overwhelmed me with a clear and present requirement for salty porky goodness.



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PostPosted: Thu Oct 22, 2009 10:55 am Reply with quote
User avatarEvil yet deliciousPosts: 164Joined: Tue Jul 11, 2006 5:49 am
I was stuck at the hospital all day (not the one where I work, but the one that is looking after the baby). I need Chupacabra teeth x a lot. And today I had Mackers for lunch. The End. :)



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PostPosted: Fri Oct 23, 2009 11:01 am Reply with quote
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Apparently I'm going to been needing another pile of chub teeth as well... one of the stalker level missions need them, along with Charon's Obols and Tarot death cards.

Nearing the big level 70... hope I can make 501 before then, even so I am already starting to take beatings. My skills aren't good enough.

Superior Horrific Transformation requires 300,000 blood upkeep PER SKILL. How people are maintaining 100's of those is a mystery to me.

Right now I'm using superior fangs (32attack/30defence) but that's just not good enough.



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PostPosted: Fri Oct 23, 2009 10:50 pm Reply with quote
User avatarEvil yet deliciousPosts: 164Joined: Tue Jul 11, 2006 5:49 am
You need to employ zombie mode when you log off so you don't get your arse handed to you every night. Just leave your health at <20 - you won't be able to fight but the people that fight you won't be able to kill you and you won't lose XP or blood.

How much blood flow (after expenses) do you get per hour?



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PostPosted: Sat Oct 24, 2009 6:06 pm Reply with quote
User avatarTremerePosts: 845Joined: Sat Apr 05, 2003 2:47 pm
After much restructuring of my minions (hint: Release all and get ALL blood back ever spent, but you must release ALL each time) and after ditching a lot of high end skills, I'm now getting some 18 million each hour. Basically I think I built my minions wrong and built up some skills too quickly.

What I'm going to do now is save up blood and build up the minions so I can support the skills I need. There's a couple of articles with some equations on the forum which show the best way to distribute.



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PostPosted: Sun Oct 25, 2009 9:59 am Reply with quote
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I sold back all the abilities that I don't immediately need for missions to minimise the upkeep. It's currently 13,978,800 which is still a bit high but I seem to need everything I have for the stalker missions. It leaves me with 34,044,200 blood flow per hour (or whatever). I don't bank blood at all, I just spend it all on minions. I have 140 bums, 100 each of every other minion in the list up to Law Firms of which I've got 45. Oh and 4 psychic whatsits.

Have you trained up your vamp in the abilities section? I've mastered all except Greater Mist Form and Greater Flight but to be honest, I can't see that it makes any difference.



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PostPosted: Sun Oct 25, 2009 3:14 pm Reply with quote
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Yes, you are doing miles better in minions, but I'll sort it out now I know what I'm doing.

As for mastering abilities...

Normal Fangs = 1/1 Superior Fangs = 32/30!!

The best skills are the superior versions of the top kill in each category (not including the ones you get for ranking).

Superior Horrific Transformation = 62 attack, 58 defence!!



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PostPosted: Sun Oct 25, 2009 3:47 pm Reply with quote
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According to the forums:

**ALERT.. MATHS INCOMING**

Let T=Total blood available from releasing (using release all) minions (in millions)

Let I=Max income that can be gained.

I=(0.5378/6)*SQRT((12*T/0.5378)+1)-3.095

To achieve I buy the following minions where

Class A = Bum, Jogger, Patient, Cop, Football, Nurse, Paramedic, Waitress, Ninja, Mime, Hacker, Bank Teller bought in equal amounts
Class B = College Frat
Class C=SWAT team
Class D= Lawyers

And in blocks of 10 minions at a time

Class A = (0.12*(I+6.19)/0.5378)-1
Class B = (3*0.13/3*(I+6.19)/0.5378)-1
Class C = (0.075*(I+6.19)/0.5378)-1
Class D = (0.049*(I+6.19)/0.5378)-1

Which is based on Return on Investment at the different rates for different minions.

Another way of putting it is like...

"This grid is very easily created in excel, and you can then set the # in Class D and everything else will calculate for you. These equations are all based on Type being in B24, the # in Class D being in cell C28, and everything else spread out as such.
The equation for # Class A =ROUND(((C28 / 10)+1)/0.016*0.04-1,0)*10
The eq for # Class B =ROUND(((C28 / 10)+1)/0.016*0.13/3-1,0)*10
The eq for # Class C =ROUND(((C28 / 10)+1)/0.016*0.025-1,0)*10
The eq for Total Cost =((25*(1+(C28)/10))*C28/2+(12*(1+(C27)/10))*C27/2+(3*(1+(C26)/10))*C26/2+(10.2*(1+(C25)/10))*C25/2)/1000
The eq for Total Income =0.2*C28+0.15*C27+0.065*C26+0.204*C25
The eq for Class A ROI =0.02*(1/((C25/10)+1))
The eq for Class B ROI =0.065/3*(1/((C26/10)+1))
The eq for Class C ROI =0.0125*(1/((C27/10)+1))
The eq for Class D ROI =0.008*(1/((C28/10)+1)) "

If you make the excel sheet, it's total minions, not blocks of 10... I think (I might be wrong here, it's not clear)

Oh.. and finally ONLY EVER BUY IN BLOCKS OF 10.

That way, when you release all to rebalance, you get every drop of blood back you ever spent.


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PostPosted: Sun Oct 25, 2009 3:55 pm Reply with quote
User avatarTremerePosts: 845Joined: Sat Apr 05, 2003 2:47 pm
So, if you have 45 law firms, you should have 50, on account of buying blocks of 10... and that would mean.

50 Law Firms
80 SWAT Teams
150 College Fraternities
140 Each of the rest

and would yield something like 60 million an hour.

Doesn't look like you are far off on your efficiency.



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PostPosted: Sun Oct 25, 2009 4:45 pm Reply with quote
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Stupid FB will only let me suggest 20 people.

I found trawing through http://forums.zynga.com/forumdisplay.php?f=9 worked best.



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PostPosted: Mon Oct 26, 2009 12:17 am Reply with quote
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and after all that cocking around with excel.. this link popped up in my clan chat... and it does seem to be on the money.

http://app.ninjaandy.com/apps/propcalc/vampires.php

Fill in what you have and it tells you what to buy next for max efficiency.



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Studying.

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